Today an unsuspecting soul on Tumblr reawakened one of my old pet peeves by reblogging a post about the supposed psychological trauma of the Pevensie children after their experiences in Narnia, a subject about which I have been ready to rant about for a long, long time.

So here's the original post, including the one relevant addition:
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What she says: I’m fine.

What she means: I understand the Chronicles of Narnia was at its heart a fairytale with theological analogies for children. But why did Lewis never address how they had to adapted to life on Earth again. Why does no one talk about how the Pevensies had to grow up with a kingdom of responsibilities on their shoulders, only to return to Earth and be children. Take Lucy, she was youngest and perhaps she adapted more quickly-but she had the memories and mind of a grown woman in an adolescent body. Edmund literally found himself in Narnia, he went from a selfish boy to mature and experienced man. He found a purpose and identity through his experiences to come back as just Edmund, Peter’s younger brother. Did people wonder why the sullen, sour boy came back, carrying himself like a wisened king? Did his mother wonder why he and Peter suddenly got along so well, why they spent so much time together now? And Susan, the girl of logistics and reason came back with a difference in her. She learned how to be a diplomat and ambassador, Susan the Gentle had to live to endure not-so-gentle circumstances. She had the respect she wanted, only to be just another teen girl. And Peter, he entered the manhood and maturity he so wanted. He earned the responsibility and stripes he yearned for. He learned to command armies and conduct the menial tasks demanded of a king to rule a nation. But he came back, appearing to be just anther glory-hungry boy. Not to mention the PTSD they must have struggled with. Especially Edmund. How often did he wake up in a sweat, screaming a sibling or comrade’s name? His parents believe it’s the war, but it’s an entirely different one he has nightmares about. How often did he have trouble with flashbacks and mood swings? And how many times did he and Peter sit over a newspaper or near the radio listening to reports on the troops. How often did they pour over lost battles and debate better strategies. Did their parents ever wonder why they seemed to understand flight war so well? How long was it before they stopped discussing these things in front of people? Why does no one talk about this??? 

Why does no one talk about how the Pevensies had to grow up with a kingdom of responsibilities on their shoulders, only to return to Earth and be children

It’s not addressed because it’s understood. It was the shared experience of the generation. You are describing coming home from World War One, battle wearied and aged beyond belief, but walking around in the body of a youth. C S Lewis went to the front line of the Somme on his nineteenth birthday and went back to complete uni in 1918 after demob.


And here's my reply to the above comments:

It’s also not addressed for a much simpler reason: the Narnia books are not written for adults, they were written for children. And they were never intended to be “realistic” fantasy in the gritty vein of Game of Thrones or even serious epic fantasy in the mold of Lord of the Rings, they were written (by Lewis’s own admission) as fairy tales.

This is what Lewis says about fairy tales, and how the conventions of that particular subgenre affected his writing of Narnia:

As these [mental] images sorted themselves into events (i.e., became a story) they seemed to demand no love interest and no close psychology. But the Form which excludes these things is the fairy tale. And the moment I thought of that I fell in love with the Form itself: its brevity, its severe restraints on description, its flexible traditionalism, its inflexible hostility to all analysis, digression, reflections and ‘gas.’ I was now enamored of it. Its very limitations of vocabulary became an attraction; as of the hardness of the stone pleases the sculptor or the difficulty of the sonnet delights the sonneteer.

To explain Lewis’s slightly old-fashioned vocabulary, “gas” is a slang term meaning “to talk at length, esp. boringly or pompously” (see The Oxford Dictionary of Slang by Ayto and Simpson, 2nd ed. 2008).

Which means that from the very beginning, Lewis had it firmly in mind that he was not going to dig into the psychology of his characters, the Pevensies included. Lewis certainly knew the horrors of war and the effect that it has on the psyche, and he was neither shy nor incapable of exploring psychological trauma in his adult SF novels*, but he had no intention of weighing down the Narnia books with it. 

So while he describes several battles over the course of the series in which many people (including good people) are killed, Lewis never uses these experiences to fundamentally change his characters’ outlook and personalities. They may be shaken and momentarily overwhelmed by the brutality of combat (as when Peter kills the wolf Maugrim in LWW, or Shasta gets caught up in the battle with the Calormenes in HHB); they are sobered by the loss of good comrades and the imminent threat of losing their own lives (as Eustace, Jill and Tirian are in LB). But when the battle or the adventure is over, the children quickly regain their equanimity and their sense of humour. Despite all the violent battles and duels Edmund takes part in during the events of Prince Caspian (which include cutting a man’s legs out from under him and then walloping off his head), his biggest lament at the end of the book is that he’s left his new electric torch in Narnia.

Older readers of the Narnia books may feel compelled to speculate about how the children’s adventures must have “really” affected them, particularly once they returned to England as children after growing up in Narnia during the events of LWW. But Lewis had no such interest, and with good reason. This is what he says about writing for children:

We must write for children out of those elements in our own imagination which we share with children: differing from our child readers not by any less, or less serious, interest in the things we handle, but by the fact that we have other interests which children would not share with us.

Lewis chose not to explore the deeper effects of trauma on his characters, not because he was unaware of or indifferent to those effects, but because he knew that his younger readers — the children for whom the Narnia books were really intended — would not be interested in hearing about them or even (yet) capable of understanding them. 

As a child of six or seven I blithely read gruesome fairy tales and never paused to imagine what it would feel like to be one of Bluebeard’s murdered wives or shoved into a barrel of nails like Cinderella’s stepmother and rolled downhill until I was dead; in the same way, most children will cheerfully read any amount of hacking and slaying without the least thought of what it would feel like to kill or be killed themselves. The last thing they want is for some boring old adult narrator to interrupt the battle between good and evil with a lot of “gas” about how being stuck with sharp objects hurts and that sticking other people with sharp objects makes you feel bad.

It’s not that children take pleasure in violence as such, or that they lack empathy, but their perception of violence and their expression of empathy is simple and abstract compared to an adult’s. They rejoice to see the heroes triumph and the baddies soundly killed, and they consider that a happy ending. And to push them to grow up too soon, to perceive pain and suffering the way adults do, is no kindness to them. Nor is it fair to take away the pleasure they take in fairy tales by rewriting those tales -- Narnia very much included -- to conform to “realistic” adult expectations.

That is the out-of-universe explanation, however. The in-universe explanation for the Pevensies’ lack of angst is far more simple: Aslan is not a cruel torturer who wants the children to suffer, but a just and merciful Lion who brought them through the wardrobe for their good and the good of Narnia itself. To leave the Pevensie children damaged by their experiences in Narnia, rather than wiser and better off for them, would be totally out of Aslan’s character. So it is quite reasonable to believe that the same magic which reverted the Pevensies to childhood also left them with a child’s perspective on their adult memories — innocent, optimistic, and blithely untroubled by the painful empathies that cause us such sorrow as adults. The Pevensies therefore remembered the facts of their stay in Narnia, but not the feelings (or at least, not any feelings that would hurt them). And if you look at the children’s behaviour on their subsequent visits to Narnia, their behaviour is exactly what we would expect if this were really the case.

I’m not saying fans can’t come at the Narnia books from any angle that suits them, because that’s what fandom is all about. I am saying, however, that Lewis was neither ignorant nor oblivious to the ramifications of what he was writing. He knew very specifically and deliberately what he wanted to do with his stories, he was writing with the interests and needs of children in mind, and the reason he left out any hint of psychological trauma in his portrayal of the Pevensies is because no such trauma occurred or was ever intended. That is the part of the magic of Narnia, and if modern adult readers find this too unpalatable to swallow, they will be better off leaving Narnia behind and seeking out books that are more to their personal tastes.

* Pretty much the whole point of Ransom’s portrayal in That Hideous Strength is that he has become the Fisher King, deeply and painfully wounded by the events of Perelandra in a way that (to quote Frodo to Sam at the end of LotR) “will never really heal.” Lewis could absolutely write psychological damage when he chose to; in the case of Narnia, he chose not to.

I love that people are still weighing in with comments on my Problem of Susan essay over three years after it was written. Warms the cockles of my heart, it does.

But although the post has generated a great many thoughtful remarks from readers on both sides, it took a quasi-anonymous comment from someone called "Nj_Librarian" today to bring out a point I've never seen made before:

SPOILERS for C.S. Lewis's 'The Last Battle' )

I can't believe this hadn't occurred to me (or, apparently, anyone else on the thread), but I'm very glad it's been pointed out now. Thank you, Nj_Librarian, whoever you are.
Overall I enjoyed it, but I'm not itching to run out and see it again. IMO this movie suffered from two of the same problems that made me dislike the Jackson LotR films:

Spoilers )

On the plus side, however -- and there were quite a few plusses I didn't even expect:

More Spoilers )

I'd say three out of five stars. Would have been much better if the fighting had been cut back and more time given to humor and character development. It's hard to care that much about people you've barely got to know, especially when some of them are behaving like the aforementioned utter prats.

ETA: If you have seen and reviewed this film in your LJ, can you drop me a link in Comments? I know I had to skip at least two or three reviews on my f-list for fear of spoiling or prejudicing myself...

*winces*

Feb. 18th, 2007 10:11 pm
rj_anderson: (Aslan Lamentations)
“The scratches on your back, tear for tear, throb for throb, blood for blood, were equal to the stripes laid on the back of your stepmother’s slave because of the drugged sleep you cast upon her. You needed to know what it felt like.” (Aslan to Aravis, in C.S. Lewis's The Horse and His Boy).

All I can say is that this quote is feeling uncomfortably pertinent right now.
I have to confess that in general, the idea of Narnia fic makes me squirm. LotR fic also lacks any appeal for me, but Narnia in particular will always be my first fantasy love, and the prospect of wading through a host of "edgy, subversive" Narnia stories (however technically well-written) in search of something I could enjoy frankly nauseates me.

However, as with most rules, there is at least one shining exception, and I'm so very glad that I made it when I came across this link in the comments of [livejournal.com profile] kalquessa's LJ. Because the author of this story has faced the problem of Susan head-on, and written a postscript to the series which not only plausibly and (I think) fairly explains how Susan might have come to forget Narnia, but also addresses the question of whether or not she might, as Lewis intimated in one of his letters, yet find her own way to Aslan's Country in the end.

It's simply but beautifully written, it captures the spirit of Lewis without attempting to imitate him, and it did my heart good to read it. I think many of you will enjoy it too.

The Queen's Return by [livejournal.com profile] honorh.

O_O

Dec. 23rd, 2005 10:09 pm
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I just found out something about the Narnia film I hadn't realized before:

Ware spoilers )

I can't believe I didn't notice that, but now that [livejournal.com profile] miladygrey has pointed it out, I'm totally blown away. It's just another of those clever but subtle little touches that makes the movie extra-nifty, in my view.

Anyway, I am not likely to be online for the next little while, so in case I don't get to say it before the date, a very merry Christmas to all who are celebrating it.
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Narnia Icons!

Dec. 22nd, 2005 10:37 pm
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Two days before Christmas and this is the best I can do for my friendslist, since I can't seem to get the fic gears turning fast enough.

Four Narnia Icons (Aslan, Peter, White Witch) )

Comment and credit if taking, please -- apart from that, they're free for anybody who wants 'em.

ETA: I've brightened the lettering on #2 somewhat to make it more legible -- [livejournal.com profile] sienamystic, you might want to grab it again.
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And although I was skeptical at first, right now I am just overflowing with so. much. love.

They got it right. I hardly dared to hope it could be done, but they really did get it right. At least, all the parts I personally strongly felt they needed to get right, they did. And the bits they added in that weren't in the book, I mostly didn't mind, or even outright liked (like the fox).

The absolute best bit, though, has not been mentioned by anyone in any of the reviews I've read to date: Big Whopping Spoiler )

As for the rest, Tilda Swinton's White Witch was every bit as cold, ruthless, chilling and brilliant as she needed to be -- Another Spoiler ) As for the Pevensies, I've always had a bit of a literary crush on Peter, and I must say this movie did not discourage that at all. Susan was lovely, and I was very interested by the way they emphasized Yet Another Spoiler, for the books as well as the film ).

Also, hee on the movie's revisionist handling of Last Spoiler, Honest ) It's not like I was sentimentally attached to that line or anything, so I didn't mind that particular change in the least. In fact I got a bit of a chuckle out of it.

In short, I loved the movie and would gladly see it again, and when my kids are old enough not to be scared witless by some of the nastier-looking creatures, I'm sure I will. And in the meantime, there's Prince Caspian to look forward to -- at this rate, the sooner the better.

Note to self: badly need at least two Narnia icons.
Roger Ebert's review of the Narnia film has some delicious turns of phrase. I laughed out loud at least twice. Anyway, he really liked it, and although I don't always agree with Ebert, I suspect I'll enjoy the film too.
There's been a lot of Lewis links and commentary on my f-list lately (including a very nice referral to my own essay on Susan in a recommendation of Andrew Rilstone's recent blog post about the same thing, for which I thank you, [livejournal.com profile] kalquessa). Most recently (and thanks to [livejournal.com profile] kalquessa yet again) there's this kinda cool article from The Chronicle addressing Pullman's charges against Lewis's Narnia, including sexism, racism, a pernicious belief in heavenly bliss, and lack of love.*

Which reminds me, the other day I found a quite hilarious book-a-minute-style summary of the Dark Materials trilogy by Abigail Nussbaum. Thanks yet again to [livejournal.com profile] kalquessa for reminding me where it was.

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* Given the actual content of both series, the only thing I can imagine Pullman means by the latter is that in Lewis's universe twelve-year-olds do not have sex. I am sorry that we are not all as cool and enlightened as you are, Mr. Pullman. Some of us still think this is a little early.
Just before bedtime tonight, I heard Simon say excitedly to his older brother:

"Let's play [The Lion,] the Witch and the Wardrobe. I'll be the Witch, and you be the Wardrobe."
This essay has been brewing in my mind for a couple of years now, and since I was recently reminded of it during a discussion on [livejournal.com profile] lizbee's journal, I figured I might as well bite the bullet and put it down on paper. Comments are welcomed, but as I'm due to have my third child on (or before, or around) this coming Saturday, I'm sure you'll appreciate that I can't guarantee a timely response.

Anyway, here it is:

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THE PROBLEM OF SUSAN

Over the last few years I have heard many indignant complaints about the treatment of Susan in the Narnia books, specifically in The Last Battle. Numerous LiveJournal rants have been written on it, Philip Pullman (author of the His Dark Materials trilogy) has deplored it, Neil Gaiman has written a story about it (with the same title as this essay), and most recently it was brought up by J.K. Rowling in an interview with Time Magazine:

"There comes a point where Susan, who was the older girl, is lost to Narnia because she becomes interested in lipstick. She's become irreligious basically because she found sex," Rowling says. "I have a big problem with that."

Well, I have a problem with it too -- albeit for different reasons. And here they are, at quite some length )

ETA: Please also check out the brief follow-up post to this discussion, which brings up a very significant point raised by a commenter about the attitude of the Friends of Narnia to Susan.

ETA2: As of April 2013 I've been so inundated with spam replies to this entry that I've had to shut down Comments. Sorry to anyone who had further thoughts to add -- perhaps try the follow-up post instead.
So back in 1998, Jo Rowling claims that as a child she would read and re-read the Narnia books and that "even now, if I was in a room with one of the Narnia books I would pick it up like a shot and re-read it." There are numerous other interviews from the early years of HP in which Rowling claims to be a fan of Lewis and makes specific references to things like the Wardrobe and Eustace as having inspired her for ideas in the HP books.

Now, within the space of two days, we have the Time interview and the interview with the cub reporters, both of which claim (and in the latter, it's said as a direct quote from JKR) that she wasn't that taken by Narnia and in fact never even finished the last book (though that apparently doesn't keep her from talking nonsense about it in Time, but I shall reserve my rant about the whole "poor Susan was banished from Narnia because she grew up and discovered sex" rubbish for another opportunity).
Dear Jo: I'm not sure I quite get this concept. Were you lying back in 1998 (and 1999, and 2001) to make antsy readers and critics feel better about your inspirations, or did Philip Pullman just hit you with Obliviate? Yours in bewilderment, RJA.
But to continue on a happier note, in the CBBC Newsround cub reporter interview Jo says this:
Another very good question. [Petunia] overheard a conversation, that is all I am going to say. She overheard conversation. The answer is in the beginning of Phoenix, she said she overheard Lily being told about them basically. ... [but] there is more to it than that. As I think you suspect. Correctly, but I don't want to say what else there is because it relates to book 7.
I KNEW IT!!! "That dreadful boy" Petunia overheard warning Lily about the Dementors etc. wasn't James, it was Snape. Ha ha! *dances*
So I guess this latest answer on JKR's official FAQ to the question of how the Order members communicate (and can anybody explain to me how on earth we would have figured that out from reading GoF, the way Jo thinks we all should have???) would strongly suggest that Snape does, in fact, have a Patronus. (Ironic, since [livejournal.com profile] cesario suggested last night that it was highly possible he couldn't cast one due to a lack of happy memories, and at the time I was inclined to agree with her. I wonder what Snape's happy memory is?)

In the past, JKR has said that she can't tell us what Snape's Boggart or his Patronus are because it would "give too much away". Well, I think I know what his Boggart is -- probable HBP spoiler ). But his Patronus? Something "unique and distinctive" to him, so that nobody could possibly mistake it for anyone else's Patronus? I'm stumped.

Oh, also, I thought of another thing today while doing the dishes. What is it about domestic chores that causes me to think of wacky new HP theories? But anyway: another highly possible spoiler for either HBP or Book Seven, your mileage may vary )

I have read the back jacket copy from the US edition that was posted yesterday, but deliberately avoided reading the first chapter excerpts floating around my f-list, because I know that if I start reading any part of the book I won't be able to resist the temptation to open it as soon as I get it and then I'll be up for the rest of the night finishing the thing off, which is just not feasible when you have two preschoolers. I shall start it as soon as I wake up on Saturday morning, which will probably be early, because my brain is doing the giddy kid-at-Christmas thing already...
I love JKR madly. I really do. Especially for this (which is not a book spoiler, so I feel no guilt about not lj-cutting it):

I have no spare time at all. [Laughter]. When I’m not writing or looking after the children, I read and sleep. To be totally honest with you, at the moment sleeping is probably my very favourite thing in the world to do. I know that is a bit of a depressing answer. I would like to say I was partying with Mick Jagger--well, I wouldn't want to be partying with Mick Jagger, that is a complete lie...
Hee. I am so with you there, Jo. On all counts.

You can read the rest of her new interview here. Lots of good stuff about the books, and plenty of new theory-fodder. Plus, I adored that cut to avoid spoiling too much of the interview for people who haven't read it yet )

Drat, where did all the time I was going to spend editing Knife go? *dashes off to try and salvage the last twenty minutes*
So here's my list of the literary characters I crushed on, roughly in the order I encountered them:
- Peter, Caspian, and Rilian, from the Narnia books
- Will Stanton and Bran Davies, from Susan Cooper's The Dark Is Rising
- Ged, from Ursula LeGuin's A Wizard of Earthsea
- Mary Stewart's versions of the youthful Merlin and Mordred (and most of the heroes of her suspense novels too, come to think of it)
- Sherlock Holmes
- Johnson Johnson, the portrait-painting, bifocals-wearing spy/sleuth from Dorothy Dunnett's mysteries
- Remus Lupin (but only in canon, not in any fanfics I've yet read)
- Gregor Vorbarra, Duv Galeni and Simon Illyan from Lois McMaster Bujold's SF novels
I just know I'm leaving out somebody important*, but oh well.
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*No, not Wimsey -- I like him just fine, but I never crushed on him. And believe it or not, Snape is not one of my crushes either, at least not in the same way as the others listed here...
For those interested in such things there's an ongoing discussion on fictional gender politics, with remarks about LotR and Narnia (among others), in the blog.
Now this is my idea of a cool quiz.



The fifth book written, you're the third book chronologically and take place during The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe. You tell the story of the humans Shasta and Aravis and the talking horses Bree and Hwin, all trying to escape from unhappy lives in Calormen to go to Narnia.
Find out which Chronicles of Narnia book you are.


And it is one of my fave books in the series, too. Although The Silver Chair is probably my favorite overall.
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