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This essay has been brewing in my mind for a couple of years now, and since I was recently reminded of it during a discussion on [livejournal.com profile] lizbee's journal, I figured I might as well bite the bullet and put it down on paper. Comments are welcomed, but as I'm due to have my third child on (or before, or around) this coming Saturday, I'm sure you'll appreciate that I can't guarantee a timely response.

Anyway, here it is:

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THE PROBLEM OF SUSAN

Over the last few years I have heard many indignant complaints about the treatment of Susan in the Narnia books, specifically in The Last Battle. Numerous LiveJournal rants have been written on it, Philip Pullman (author of the His Dark Materials trilogy) has deplored it, Neil Gaiman has written a story about it (with the same title as this essay), and most recently it was brought up by J.K. Rowling in an interview with Time Magazine:

"There comes a point where Susan, who was the older girl, is lost to Narnia because she becomes interested in lipstick. She's become irreligious basically because she found sex," Rowling says. "I have a big problem with that."

Well, I have a problem with it too -- albeit for different reasons. I have a problem with it because Lewis nowhere says or implies, and in other books of the series quite directly refutes, that being part of Narnia has anything to do with one's attitude to sex. Or "growing up", for that matter, which is the other accusation lobbed about by those who feel that Susan was Done Wrong by her author. Still, it is to some people quite "obvious" that Lewis despised the whole business of growing up, discovery of sex very much included, and thought that it was better to be a child, in mind if not in body, one's whole life. Thus he "rewards" his characters who remain in an immature state by allowing them to remain in Narnia (or at least come back to it, in the end) while those who grow up, especially in the sexual realm, are rejected as spiritual lepers.

On the surface the argument certainly sounds convincing. After all, weren't we told that Susan's reason for not being in Narnia at the end of The Last Battle was that she was "interested in nothing but nylons and lipstick and invitations" and that "she always was a jolly sight too keen on growing up"? And aren't all the characters from our world who make it to the glorified Narnia -- Peter, Edmund, Lucy, Digory, Polly, Eustace and Jill -- suspiciously single? Eustace and Jill were pre-pubescent at the time, but surely Digory and Polly, who have lived into old age, might have got their sexual act together, even if not with each other? And the Pevensies apart from Susan are positively in their prime, but if they've had any romantic interest or entanglement whatsoever we don't hear anything about it. So the whole thing looks rather damning at first glance.

Let's examine the details, however. First, the idea that Susan's absence from Narnia has to do with her discovery of sex. Here's the actual passage from The Last Battle that gives the reason for her absence:

... "Sir," said Tirian when he had greeted all these. "If I have read the chronicle aright, there should be another. Has not your Majesty two sisters? Where is Queen Susan?"

"My sister Susan," answered Peter shortly and gravely, "is no longer a friend of Narnia."

"Yes," said Eustace, "and whenever you've tried to get her to come and talk about Narnia or do anything about Narnia, she says, 'What wonderful memories you have! Fancy your still thinking about all those funny games we used to play when we were children.'"

"Oh Susan!" said Jill. "She's interested in nothing nowadays except nylons and lipstick and invitations. She always was a jolly sight too keen on growing up."

"Grown-up, indeed," said the Lady Polly. "I wish she would grow up. She wasted all her school time wanting to be the age she is now, and she'll waste all the rest of her life trying to stay that age. Her whole idea is to race onto the silliest time of one's life as quick as she can and stop there as long as she can."

"Well, don't let's talk about that now," said Peter. ...

Those who argue for Susan's absence from Narnia being a kind of punishment for discovering sex usually zero in on Jill's words: "nylons and lipstick and invitations". But if Lewis had meant that Susan was obsessed with her romantic life and conquests, why didn't he simply tell us as much, which he could have done without any controversy whatsoever -- "she's interested in nothing nowadays except dressing up and having boys come to call on her"? Instead he chooses to zero in on material superficialities: nylons, lipstick, and invitations. And the suggestion that comes through most strongly here, especially when one looks at the speech of the very grown-up (indeed elderly) Polly which comes next, is not of sexuality but of vanity.

In other words, Susan is focused on her appearance. She's obsessed with clothes and cosmetics, with the idea of making herself look beautiful and sophisticated -- for whatever reason. Of course winning the attention of young men would be part and parcel of this, but the way Lewis phrases it puts the focus on Susan's own self-image, not her relationships with others. One is immediately struck with the idea of Susan gazing at herself in the mirror, painting on her lipstick, engrossed in artificially enhancing her physical beauty. We're also told that she is interested in "invitations", which suggests large special events of the sort for which a written invite would be issued. Susan is concerned with social status, with being invited to the right parties with the right people and having the right sort of "grown-up" good time. But the elderly Polly tells us that the life Susan is leading and the ambitions she harbors are foolish and superficial: indeed that she is living through "the silliest time of one's life" and that Susan is bound to waste her life trying to cling to a stage she ought to grow out of. In other words, Susan's problem is not that she has grown up into a woman but that that she is not "grown-up" enough (which is, again, precisely what Polly tells us) -- she is immature enough to mistake glitter and gloss and popularity for the things that make life worth living, and imagine that the vain trappings of cosmetics and fashion are what adulthood is about.

However, even this would not bar Susan from Narnia if she had any interest in coming there. The reason for her absence is not that Aslan (or Lewis) has harshly banished her for losing her childlike innocence, but rather that she has willfully chosen to put Narnia and Aslan aside in order to pursue her own interests, and as a result has gradually lost all interest -- and even memory -- of the spiritual realities that Narnia and Aslan represent. It is not that the Friends of Narnia have shunned Susan: as Eustace says, they have tried multiple times to encourage her to rejoin them. But Susan's response has habitually been to dismiss the whole idea as "funny games we used to play when we were children", and the Friends simply cannot get through to her any longer.

As a result, Susan is not on the fatal train that brings Eustace, Jill, and the rest (including the Pevensies' own father and mother, who are not only grown-up but have most certainly discovered sex -- it would be rather difficult for them to have had four children otherwise) to Narnia, and therefore we are left with no information as to whether she will eventually come to Narnia or not. The prospect may not look very promising at the moment, but there is always the chance that she will indeed "grow up" in the way Polly suggests, and discover for herself that beauty and clothing and popularity are not the things that make life worth living after all. One might well imagine, for instance, that the sudden deaths of her entire family would have a sobering effect on Susan, or at least interrupt her social whirlwind long enough to give her time to think about bigger issues. We don't know, because Lewis doesn't tell us, whether Susan can or will change; that is, as Aslan might say, "somebody else's story."

"So you say," some may object, "but that's all based on your interpretation of the 'nylons and lipstick and invitations' line, isn't it? I still think it really means sex, whatever Polly may have said afterward. After all, don't we know that Lewis was in the habit of banishing the kids from Narnia as soon as they hit puberty? It seems fairly obvious to me that he had a hang-up about the whole idea of his characters coming to sexual maturity."

Again, it seems like a reasonable argument, but only if you don't look too closely at Lewis's books. Particularly two books: The Horse and His Boy and The Voyage of the Dawn Treader. In the first, for instance, we are presented halfway through the book with a grown-up Susan, living in Narnia, who is not only stunningly beautiful and gorgeously dressed, but in the very process of being courted by a handsome Calormene prince. When Shasta (and the reader) first meets her, she is discussing with Edmund whether she will accept Rabadash's offer of marriage -- an offer she takes so seriously that she and Edmund have travelled a considerable distance to Tashbaan in order to get to know her would-be suitor better. And nowhere in the scene is the idea of Susan being grown-up, or beautiful, or considering a marriage proposal, treated as despicable for its own sake, or indeed anything out of the ordinary. The objection to Rabadash is not that Susan is coy of marriage or that Edmund thinks she ought not to marry -- if that were the case they would not have made the voyage to Tashbaan in the first place. Rather, it is that now that they have seen Susan's "dark-faced lover" in his natural element, Susan has finally realized that in spite of his winsome manner and pleasing proofs of manliness when he visited them in Narnia ("I take you all to witness what marvellous feats he did in that great tournament," says Susan, conjuring up for the reader an image of herself watching Rabadash from the stands with parted lips and shining eyes -- about as close to the idea of feminine lust as one is likely to get in a children's book), he is in truth "a most proud, bloody, luxurious, cruel, and self-pleasing tyrant". It is on account of Rabadash's evil character, not on account of some peculiar ideal of inviolate childhood and permanent celibacy, that Edmund tells Susan "I should have loved you the less if you had taken him," and Susan affirms that she would not marry Rabadash "for all the jewels in Tashbaan."

Further proof that Lewis was by no means against the idea of his characters growing up, falling in love, and even -- gasp -- having sex is found at the end of the very same book, where we are cheerfully informed that not only did Cor and Aravis get married when they grew up, but that they had a son who became the greatest of all the kings of Archenland. This being a children's book written in 1954, and Lewis being conscious that his young readership would not be particularly interested in the details of a romance, the whole thing is tossed off rather glibly; but there's no question that it is there.

So apparently growing up, or even being interested in sex, does not get one tossed out of Narnia -- not even if you're Susan Pevensie. So why were the children banished from Narnia when they reached a certain age? Isn't that a bit suspicious? It would be if the phenomenon were left unexplained, but as a matter of fact Aslan Himself explains it to Edmund and Lucy in the clearest possible terms:

"Dearest," said Aslan very gently, "you and your brother will never come back to Narnia."

"Oh,
Aslan!!" said Edmund and Lucy both together in despairing voices.

"You are too old, children," said Aslan, "and you must begin to come close to your own world now."

"It isn't Narnia, you know," sobbed Lucy. "It's
you. We shan't meet you there. And how can we live, never meeting you?"

"But you shall meet me, dear one," said Aslan.

"Are -- are you there too, Sir?" said Edmund.

"I am," said Aslan. "But there I have another name. You must learn to know me by that name. This is the very reason why you were brought to Narnia, that by knowing me here for a little, you may know me better there."

The "you are too old, children" might in itself seem to lend credence to the idea that Lewis had a horror of growing up, were the reasons for Lucy and Edmund's departure not so explicitly set out for us in the rest of Aslan's speech. Narnia, for all its beauty, is merely a spiritual object lesson, a childish crutch which the children must learn to do without if they are to grow into true faith and a deeper knowledge of Aslan. They are not being banished or punished -- they are in fact graduating to a higher, more challenging school of spiritual learning. They must learn to know Aslan in their own complicated and adult world, rather than relying on the simpler, childish symbolism available to them in Narnia.

Take note: in this whole passage there is not a whisper of an implication that sex, or sexual maturity, plays any role whatsoever. Sex is completely absent from the whole context of the conversation. This is not an issue of the body, but of the mind and soul. Edmund and Lucy are moving on, out of and away from Narnia, because they are ready, because it is time. Far from being punished, one might rather say that they are celebrating their Bar and Bat Mitzvah -- taking the step into personal spiritual responsibility and adult faith. The problem with Susan in The Last Battle, therefore, is not that she has too eagerly welcomed her physical adulthood, but that she has embraced the outward illusion of grown-up femininity without at the same time maturing into adult faith and knowledge of Aslan in her own world. That, not sex, keeps her from Narnia.

Now Lewis certainly did have some hang-ups about children and sex: he tells us in one of his essays, for instance, that he has a "horror of anything resembling a quasi love affair between two children" and that the idea "nauseates and sickens" him. However, he quickly goes on to qualify that this is purely a quirk of his own, rooted in some "childhood trauma" he does not describe, and that "such things... do happen in real life," so he even recognizes his phobia as being somewhat extreme and unreasonable. (And, as already noted in regard to The Horse and His Boy, he certainly shows no objection to his boy and girl characters getting married and having sex once they have grown up.)

Another definite hang-up of Lewis's seems to have been female vanity, as witnessed especially by his short story The Shoddy Lands. If this story had not been published during Lewis's lifetime I would have a very hard time believing he could have written it, because it is one of the biggest pieces of vulgar, badly written tripe I have seen in my entire life. It is, basically, a heavy-handed sermon about a woman obsessed with her own body image and trivial selfish pleasures such as (here we go again) fashionable clothes: as the narrator says, "At the centre of that world is a swollen image of herself, remodelled to be as like the girls in the advertisements as possible." And, indeed, in spite of an effort to throw in a scrap of divine compassion toward the end, the picture Lewis paints is more than unsympathetic; it's nauseating. But the whole thing has very little to do with sex, for the narrator tells us that sex is in fact ultimately irrelevant to Peggy by comparison to her vanity:

...all her clothes and bath salts and two-piece swimsuits [sound anything like "nylons and lipstick and invitations", anyone? -- Ed.], and indeed the voluptuousness of her every look and gesture, had not, and never had had, the meaning which every man would read, and was intended to read, into them. They were a huge overture to an opera in which she had no interest at all; a coronation procession with no queen at the centre of it; gestures, gestures about nothing.

In other words, Peggy (and, it seems to me, Susan) are guilty not of craving male companionship and admiration, but rather of being obsessed with their own appearance and their own social status to the point that romantic and sexual relationships are rendered trivial or irrelevant. They are not, in that sense, sexually mature at all. That Lewis had no problem with the idea of sexual maturity, and indeed was prepared to celebrate it in a Christian context, is well established in both forms of his writing for adults, in books like The Four Loves (where among other things, he warns against making a tyrant or a dark god of erotic love, and recommends a spirit of playful enjoyment, of play-acting even -- far from the "sex as grim duty" notion that some associate with the Christian religion) and especially at the end of his SF novel That Hideous Strength, which positively drips with eros as all the characters dress up in luxurious, angelically provided attire that reveals their true natures and inner beauties (something Lewis seems to deliberately contrast to the superficial fashion and cosmetics he deplores elsewhere), and all the married ones go off to have sex with each other. The whole scenario is so voluptuously described as to be almost embarrassing: it certainly made me blush as a teenager, even though Lewis never actually takes us into his characters' beds. But in any case it ought to dispel any notion that Lewis was shy or disapproving of adult sexuality.

Finding our way at last back to Susan, there can be no question that her absence from Narnia, for whatever reason, is a sad and tragic thing, understandably upsetting to both the child and the adult reader. After all, hadn't Susan as a child witnessed first-hand the death of Aslan at the Stone Table, and been part of all kinds of glorious, seemingly unforgettable, adventures? Hadn't she proven faithful through all kinds of trials and difficulties? How could we possibly be expected to believe that when she grew up she would just forget Narnia?

But there are clues that Susan is strongly tempted to put selfish concerns above spiritual ones even in the earlier books. In Prince Caspian, for instance, she knows deep down that Lucy is right about seeing Aslan, but chooses to side against Lucy and go the wrong direction because "I just wanted to get out of the woods and -- and -- oh, I don't know." Even when Lucy is called by Aslan the second time, Susan is stubborn and even openly spiteful about it. The others are also described as having various degrees of bad attitude about the situation -- indeed, Lucy herself falters in her faith the first time -- so Lewis is by no means painting Susan all black, merely pointing out a weakness. But it is a weakness that foreshadows her eventual apostasy, so that when we learn of Susan's fate in The Last Battle it is not, as some have contended, a bit of character assassination coming completely out of left field. Earlier books have established Susan as "the beauty" of the family and conscious of that fact, as being inclined to see herself as grown-up while in some ways being rather naïve and immature (being dazzled by Rabadash's prowess as a warrior and his superficially courtly manners, for instance, while Edmund doubts his integrity from the start), and somewhat more concerned with her own comforts and desires than her siblings (who have different faults). As such, the "grown-up" Susan of Last Battle may be a disappointment and a shock, but she is not some entirely different and foreign character that Lewis dragged in at the last minute to make a moral point.

As for the distress that the reader naturally feels over being told that Susan is "no longer a friend of Narnia" -- I find it very difficult to believe that Lewis was not fully aware that this revelation would hurt, and indeed most likely felt badly about it himself. But the fact remains that people do become apostate, to their own grief and the grief of those around them, and not necessarily for lofty intellectual reasons either. As a student of Biblical theology, Lewis was likely to be thinking not merely of Judas Iscariot, the most extreme example, but of other New Testament characters such as Demas, Paul's companion who deserted in the middle of a missionary journey "because he loved this present world". He was very likely also wanting to evoke passages such as the one in Hebrews 6, which speaks of those who "have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age," and yet ultimately "fall away" and reject Christ just as Susan rejects Narnia.

The point is, as Christ's own life and ministry showed, that people can see miracles done before their very eyes, and yet still discount them and refuse to believe. Just as Susan was, in time, able to dismiss Narnia as "funny games we used to play when we were children," so the unbelieving people of Jesus's day explained away Christ's miracles as trickery or even attributed them to the power of demons, rather than accept Him as divine and bow to His authority. As Jesus said, "...this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil." As long as we have something else on our personal agenda that is higher than God, some beloved thing or philosophy or pastime (it might be quite innocuous in itself -- after all, there's nothing inherently evil about nylons or lipstick or invitations per se) that we value more than the knowledge of Him, it doesn't matter how much evidence is or has been presented to our eyes because we will not see.

In that respect, the description of Susan's fate given to us in The Last Battle may be painful and upsetting but it is far from being unrealistic or untrue. If anything it is too true to life, and therein lies the poignancy of it. We may see in Susan a reflection of ourselves, and resent her absence from Narnia on that account: surely one ought not to miss the beauties and pleasures of paradise on account of such harmless indulgences as nylons and lipstick! But it was not Aslan or the Friends of Narnia who kept Susan away from that final blessing, but Susan herself by her own free will -- and so it is with us.

ETA: Please also check out the brief follow-up post to this discussion, which brings up a very significant point raised by a commenter about the attitude of the Friends of Narnia to Susan.

ETA2: As of April 2013 I've been so inundated with spam replies to this entry that I've had to shut down Comments. Sorry to anyone who had further thoughts to add -- perhaps try the follow-up post instead.
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Date: 2005-12-24 05:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] clawedmedea.livejournal.com
I have to say, very well written.
I stumbled on this, and I know it's not my place, but I'd like to point something out. I think when J. K. Rowling said "sex," she meant "gender." Not that it's not any less offensive, but sex is biological, gender is all psychological. Hence, transexuals and transvestites.
Because Susan got wrapped up in being herself and being what she believed all women should be, she lost the light.
I personally always liked the story of Susan, right up to and especially because of the ending in The Last Battle, and I really agree with your last paragraph.

Date: 2005-12-24 01:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rj-anderson.livejournal.com
I think when J. K. Rowling said "sex," she meant "gender."

*spends a few seconds mesmerized by your icon*

That would be a possibility, but I think the wording of her quote suggests otherwise. She describes Susan as having "found sex". I don't think you can substitute the word "gender" in there and have the statement still make sense.

Thanks for your comments!

Date: 2005-12-25 01:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thatfilmgirl.livejournal.com
I know I'm awfully late in the game here but isn't it possible that the shock of being unable to go back into Narnia after spending a lifetime in there was too much for Susan to handle?

Narnia is a paradise and we see that Susan immerses herself in it (like all of them). She has 40 years of memories: of lives lived, of adventures and fantastic things and then suddenly she's thrown back into the 'real' world where there's a horrible war going on, her father's at war, her mother is still being bombed in London... it's no longer beautifull and 'safe'.

Forgetting Narnia and immersing herself into the things of the 'real' world could be Susan's way of dealing. A way for her mind to protect itself because the shock is so big and too much to handle.

Date: 2006-01-07 04:34 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
If Narnia is a allegory, than Peter, by his very name, would be original high king, the pope. If the man chosen to lead the faithful chose apostacy, the books would have become darker indeed.

As said in the essay, Susan was the likley choice because she was more firmly placed, spiitually, in earthly matters and baser instincts even wen she was young and even, as written in The Horse and his Boy, as a queen.

Perhaps (though I doubt this) Susan was marked for apostacy from the begining, hense her subtle behavior in Lion, Horse and Caspian (but that may be giving Lewis too much credit)

Re: Susan's Characterization

Date: 2006-01-23 02:39 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
That _is_ the equivalent of a follower of Christ watching Him being nailed to the cross. You just don't forget stuff like that, I don't care how many party invitations you've received or how much you've been corrupted by society.

I truly hesitate most times to disagree with people, but in this case I must.

Thousands of years ago God's (the Christian one, anyway) Chosen People were captives and slaves of the Egyptians. They personally witnesses ten plagues, the final one striking dead all the unprotected firstborn of the land, human and animal alike (which also started the Passover Observance). They personally witnessed the parting of the Red Sea, and the destruction of the pursuing Pharoah's army.

Not heard about. Not read about. Personally witnessed and lived through it.

And yet it didn't take days before they started grumbling and muttering, questioning things.

They were fed by the miraculous appearance, every day except Sabbath, of manna. They saw other miracles.

Yet it didn't take a month of Moses being absent up on Mt. Sinai for them to demand golden idols, for they felt as if God had left them.

As tragic and sorrowful as it was, it is very realistic to see Susan, of her own free will and volition, choosing to forget about Narnia and her adventures there as 'funny games we used to play as children'.

albert_hess2003@yahoo.com

More lazy writing than anything

Date: 2006-04-14 01:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] darthskeptical.livejournal.com
While I certainly concur that this is a well-reasoned and valid interpretation of Susan's plight following TLB, it's not one I ever particularly made. I assumed no allegory in her absence from "New Narnia". She was simply still alive in England. I never thought, and still don't think, that she was forever foreclosed from entry. I don't particularly think the text comments on her character, other than that she has a different reaction to Narnia, at her present English age, than the other members of the immediate family — all of whom have, after all, died at this point. I think the fact that Aslan doesn't particularly take a stance on her absence means that she could, at a later date (and presumably when she actually dies in England) join the rest of the family.

What I thought was most telling about the passage in question was the way in which the other children essentially abandon her. Most damning is Edmund's total reversal, in which he coldly dismisses her as "no longer a Friend of Narnia". Nice way to treat your sister, kid – apparently you've forgotten her risking her life for your miserable, traitorous hide in LWW.

What's most bothersome about the passage is the, frankly, out of character way that the kids just accept Susan's apparent fate, choosing to look at her absence as just a thing "we won't speak of further", rather than a rallying call for action. It's like the events of LWW, which built up all that lovely family unity, never happened. People make mistakes, and this is in no way near as grave as Edmund's treachery. The book should have at least shown us the kids pleading Susan's case to Aslan, but it really doesn't.

Lewis is guilty here not of some warped view of the female, but of plain, simple lazy writing. He wanted to leave one kid behind to make a point, so he did. Full stop. It would have been more ironic had it been Lucy, more logical if he chose Edmund, and more shocking if he chose Peter, but in the end he took the one that was least integral, made an example of her, and moved on. Shoddily and shamefully.

Date: 2006-04-17 08:50 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
i still don't understand this, if aslan's so big shot why couldn't he hav just enlightened susan as well? there's plenty of redemption and whatnot in these books, why punish her forever just cuz of one character flaw? Anyway, i first read these books at maybe 10 years of age and, not being christian, had no idea of the religious background it has. Now that i do know tho it's become diminished i'm afraid, and even pisses me off on certain points like this business with Susan. Ah well, it used to be a nice story.

Interesting points

Date: 2006-04-22 12:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fea-tarancalime.livejournal.com
I agree with your article completely. I recently read Mere Christianity, and in the chapter on Pride Lewis talks about vanity; and it is not linked to sexuality but to 'thinking yourself superior.' I don't think that the Susan 'problem' has anything to do with sexuality, even 'feminine' sexuality to attract men, but just Susan being vain...this seems to be more related to Lewis' thoughts on the subjects that are in his other books.

Re: Interesting points

Date: 2006-04-22 12:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rj-anderson.livejournal.com
Thank you for commenting! I'm glad you enjoyed the essay. And BTW, I love your icon. Really gorgeous picture.

latecomer to your essay

Date: 2006-07-04 02:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] asakiyume.livejournal.com
I just read your essay thanks to [livejournal.com profile] fpb's mentioning it in his lj today. It's brilliant.

I too found hints of what was coming all through the Narnia books, and I supposed that her not being in Aslan's country in the end was, in addition to everything else it may have been, some kind of symmetry: on the one hand, you had the Calormene soldier there to show that even a person following a different faith could in fact be being faithful to Aslan, and therefore be welcome in Aslan's country, and on the other, even people who had known Aslan might not be there.

As someone who ends up adhering to the heresy that all can be/will be saved, though, I hold out hope for Susan. C.S. Lewis drew her the way he drew her because of his own feelings about women, vanity, faith, etc., as you and your readers have pointed out--but perhaps C.S. Lewis didn't know her as well as he thought. Maybe her kindheartedness asserts itself later on, as she goes through life bereft of her family, and maybe she finds her way back to Aslan's country in the end.

On the topic of finding your way to Aslan's country, one of the chillingest things for me in The Last Battle was the situation with the dwarfs in the stable. The notion that even Aslan couldn't reach them profoundly troubled me. Still haven't reached a satisfactory peace with that...

The Problem With Susan

Date: 2006-08-24 01:39 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I do agree that Susan was treated harsh in the books and since she is one of my favorite characters, I wish she had been in them more than she was. But I don't find anywhere in the books where Lewis says she "found sex". I beleive he was saying that she was caught up in worldly pleasures and posesions but not specifically sex. There is no explanation as to why Lewis would think that sex was wrong. Its not logical to think that he would feel that way. So i don't think that this had to do with sex, but her hardened heart toward Narnia and har love for this world.

Date: 2006-12-06 04:10 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Based on the Screwtape Letters, it seems to me that Lewis might have thought that a carefully cultivated state of not thinking about issues was part of the plan of 'Our Father below'. The kind of vanity, the lure of the 'Inner Circle', that he continuously warns against works with that, I think. It's a kind of drifting away because other things seem more important, and one isn't thinking things through.
BTW, I don't see that kind of vanity in Jane, but the lure of the Inner Circle is definitely what motivates Mark, her husband (That Horrible Strength). On the other hand, I suppose Lewis' tendency to have the lure of the Inner Circle be related to a physical vanity for women could be used as an argument for his being a misogynist.

Maria

Date: 2007-01-01 06:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elysium-writing.livejournal.com
I'd just like to say that now, over a year later, a link to this essay has been placed on Wikipedia under the entry for "The Chronicels of Narnia". So a lot more people have access to it.

Date: 2007-01-01 08:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com
This is terrific news and I am very glad indeeed to hear it. It also nullifies much of what I said above, of course.

Date: 2007-01-01 05:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rj-anderson.livejournal.com
*grins* Thanks for the heads-up!

Re: latecomer to your essay

Date: 2007-02-27 04:59 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
On the topic of finding your way to Aslan's country, one of the chillingest things for me in The Last Battle was the situation with the dwarfs in the stable. The notion that even Aslan couldn't reach them profoundly troubled me. Still haven't reached a satisfactory peace with that...

I don't think that it was so much Aslan was 'unable' (though I might be totally wrong, as I don't have TLB here right now), in that the dwarves were 'unwilling' to see him. Aslan never 'forced' anyone to do anything that I recall. He allowed them to make their decisions, and then rewarded them for thier actions (and by reward I mean they gained the consequences of).

Date: 2007-02-28 09:17 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
>> So a lot more people have access to it.

Indeed they do. In fact, that's how I just found this article - I was kind of researching the whole Narnia-Pullman issue on the Web and stumbled over said link.

I don't particularly much care for the religious side of this discussion. I would only spend time in church if you paid me for it, I never really read the Chronicles of Narnia (the one book I tried to read quite bored me to death) and apparently I'm too stupid to even notice the allegories when I am supposed to feel kicked in the head by them. But I read all three books of the "His Dark Materials"-Trilogy, and I can honestly say I have never seen a more hypocritical author than Philip Pullman.

Really, these three books are so chock-full of depressing conclusions and overt violence that I can't really believe how anyone would NOT laugh into his face if he tried to tell them Narnia was even worse! Who would want to teach his children that existence itself is so horrible, they should be thankful to live in a universe where the only release from suffering you can ever hope for is complete oblivion?

How anyone could consider this appropriate for little children is beyond me, *I* certainly felt down for days after finishing the "Amber Spyglass" - with everyone either dead, soul-eaten by specters or forever seperated from their loved ones. And I wouldn't consider it particularly appropriate to read about how a giant bear savagely tears off the lower half of another giant bears face. Is anything you could find in Narnia worse than that? I have a hard time imagining that. Lewis had seen ACTUAL violence in World War I, he wouldn't have thematically misused it like that.

Frankly, I think Pullman has serious personal issues he needs to sort out. Considering the altogether meaningful arguments shown in this article, I am completely convinced that he is willfully (and rather discreetly) ignoring all passages written by Lewis that would force him to correct his position. Everything just shows how he hates Lewis on principle, not because of the actual (lack of) merit of his works. Maybe it's because he can't ever hope to see the same amount of success with his thoroughly depressing anti-fairytales that the quasi-allegorical works of a playful, and by all accounts good-natured, "religious nutjob" have found all over the world.

Date: 2007-08-02 06:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bojojoti.livejournal.com
I've appreciated reading your excellent essay.

I have enjoyed Neil Gaiman's writing's, but when I read his short story about Susan, I felt my childhood memories were violated.

Mr. Lewis wrote a realistic outcome for Susan. I choose to add an epilogue to the story. I believe that Susan eventually came around and found Narnia again.

Thank you

Date: 2007-08-09 01:00 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I agree with your essay and Time also made mention to a reason of her ignorance: "She hasn't even read all of C.S. Lewis' Narnia novels". I feel sorry for anyone with such a lack of values in there writings to comment on issues that they don't completely understand.

Date: 2007-09-06 12:59 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Excellent work. While it always hurt that Susan did not get to go to Aslan's Country, I thought that it was inherently obvious that this was of her own will. She simply moved on to things that were ostensibly more important. I've never understood why the critics of this turn of events attacked Lewis, and I thank you for bringing to light the obvious reasons for Lewis's decision.

Re: Susan's Characterization

Date: 2007-10-24 06:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] johncwright.livejournal.com
"To punish Susan for wanting to fulfill earthly desires is totally unfair."

One of the central points of Christianity, and therefore also of Lewis' work, is that there are other desires, desires for things beyond this earth, things beyond the edge of the world where bold Reepacheep sails, that must be tkaen into account.

Lewis, by having Susan fall away, expresses no more and no less than standard and ancient Christian teachings from day one. Lucifer before his fall was one of the brightest; Judas was one of the Twelve; when the day of the Lord comes, and two men are standing in a field, one will be taken and the other left behind. Dante peopled Hell with princes, kings, and Popes. PILGRIMS PROGRESS has a chilling passage where the gates to Hell are said to be hard by the gates of Heaven, which means, even when you are one step away, touching St. Peter's hand, you can still fall. The point here is that even the most highly favored -- even the young lady Aslan himself made into a queen -- can be seduced and jaded by the world, and no longer be a friend of Narnia.

Had Lewis merely had a happy ending, where everyone is saved, it would have been a fantasy indeed.

The struggle is grim and serious, the event is dire, and immortality of bliss or pain hangs in the balance.
From: [identity profile] johncwright.livejournal.com
"I've never understood why the critics of this turn of events attacked Lewis..."

I have a great skepticism for Lewis' critics. What they are saying does not sound like an innocent mistake or misreading to me, but something more sinister. Perhaps I am merely being too suspicious, but let me tell you my suspicions nonetheless.

Lewis is making a dreadful point that Christian theology is always making--anyone, even Judas, even one of the Twelve, can be corrupted, and can fall. Lewis chose vanity to be Susan's downfall. Vanity is one of the seven deadly sins: but more than vanity, it was the seduction of the world that Lewis, and every Christian writer since the dawn of that religion, that Lewis condemned as so frightening.

What is really going on here is that that critics of Lewis, like me and you and all mankind, love and adore their sins and their sinful natures. Christians are not regarded as pariahs by polite society until and unless they start to talk about sin, about the wages of sin, about the real possibility of a permanent spiritual harm: you might get locked out of Narnia, and not just for a season.

Those who love their sins are not about to say, "No, Christians, we LIKE being vain and selfish!" so they must substitute an inconsequential surface feature of the sin of vanity, and paint it up to look like something admirable. Selfishness is now depicted as maturity, and vanity as part of the maturing process to marriage and motherhood.

The absurdity of this equation, the intellectual dishonesty of it, can be penetrated merely by asking a hypothetical. What would Rawlings and Pullman and Gaiman have said had Lewis excluded Susan from Narnia for adultery or prostitution, or some other actually sexual misbehavior?

Can you imagine any critic of Lewis giving Lewis a nod of approval had Susan been Anna Karenina or Queen Guinevere, Pasiphae or Lot's Daughter and excluded from paradise due to unrepentant sexual wrongdoing?

It is not married people who are excluded from Narnia--hence, it is not the sexual act that our critics of Lewis are actually defending. It is only the unlawful aspects of the sexual act they defend, only unhealthy, abnormal, or extramarital sex, and the passions and emotions (including vanity) that feed into it.

The sin can corrupt even a Queen crowned by the son of the Emperor Over the Sea is a message is frightening to children, and yea, frightening to adults, and it should be. Lewis' critics might be correct that this message is too harsh for children to hear; indeed it is too harsh for grown ups to hear. But it is one of the core motifs of the Christian message.

I do think Lewis hurries over the passage, and gives a little detail as possible, because he knows the painfulness of what he is saying, and he wants it over-with and done as soon as can be.

Date: 2007-10-25 10:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrmandias.livejournal.com

Aravis was an aristocrat. Noblesse oblige.

Date: 2007-12-12 01:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caramelsilver.livejournal.com
I found this essay through wikipidia and I've spent two hours reading through the essay and all the comments. What bothers me the most is that almost none of the commenters has touched on the thing I've always thought was the reason Susan stopped believing:

First I have to say that the first time I read the books I didn't know anything about the allegory and that stuff, I just read the books and loved them. I understood that Aslan was the god of Narnia.

Later I've read through it all knowing everything and when I got to the Last Battle (I've never really liked that book, not because of the ending, but because of the plot. Narnia becoming this almost modern place, and I always thought the animals where so stupid believing that monkey!) and I found out that Susan isn't there. I didn't think much of it 1) because I've never really liked Susan, 2) because I believed what the characters told. Susan didn't believe in Narnia anymore. It's only been lately that I've read a lot of essays and really thought about it.

I think that when Susan was told that she couldn't return to Narnia she got hurt and angry at Aslan. I think it really hurt her that she couldn't come back but her younger siblings could.

We know that the Pevensies split up, going to different boarding schools, so she couldn't talk about it with Peter who was shearing her fate. I think that she stopped thinking about it because of the pain. And she just continued to push it further back in her mind. I don't think she stopped believing in Narnia first. First she stopped believing in Aslan. Aslan who had hurt her by pushing her away. I guess she forgot Narnia when she stopped believing in the Lion. What is Narnia without the Lion?

On the vanity thing: What do we know about what Susan was like in Narnia? She was pretty, and gentle, she had many suitors and went to and threw many parties. What did she end up doing in England? She went to parties, tried to make herself more beautiful and attract boys attentions. I don't think she changed much, she just wanted to be the person she was in Narnia in England.

Many people said that they were surprised at how bitter and short the Friends where when they talked about Susan. I imagine that they have dealt with this a long time now. Susan didn't leave them just recently, this had been going on for years. They have talked about this, tried to convince her to come along to their gatherings for a long time.

Susan didn't die, so she still have time to redeem herself. But only she can do that. She was the one that stopped believing.

Yes, and...

Date: 2008-02-23 12:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] v-mike-smith.livejournal.com
Some very good points here; I like your line of thought a lot. (I've read the Chronicles several times myself; my faves are Nephew and Battle.) One does have to wonder how the dwarves could deny what was there for them to see, or how Susan could act as if her experience was just imagined. Is experience or memory so fickle? There must be other reasons. Vanity was a symptom, not a cause.

Someone earlier mentioned that Susan's trip to America and the resulting peer pressures there may have had an effect. I think this is also a good point, but they didn't apply it both directions: that the presence of others who had had a common experience helped bolster the validity of that experience for Peter/Edmund/Lucy. The same logic applies to why we go to church every Sunday, but I find we don't compare notes, or talk about things like the "Friends of Narnia" did.

Contradictorily, Professor Kirke admonished the Pevensies against talking about it at all, even among themselves at the end of LW&W. And I have a lot of trouble believing that several years' experience in a real place could be revoked by single year's worth of peer pressure, American or even Malacandran for that matter.

I suppose because I like the way you've considered these thing, I'll throw this out, too: what about Emeth the Calormene? Not to change the subject (this one being about the Problem of Susan,) but he says so many things that are true for me, I find him the most sympathetic in the entire series. His name is an Aramaic word variously translated as "truth, veracity, firmness." He relied upon his experience, made the most ethical decisions he could, displayed the greater part of valor, boldly faced his gravest fear, and did every bit of it with the most admirable nobility and comportment (and a delightfully foreign manner of speech, too!)

Hmm...as I re-read that, maybe this should be a new topic. But I'm too new at this, I don't know how to bring all these great people along to a new topic, so...well, there you have it.
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