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rj_anderson ([personal profile] rj_anderson) wrote2006-01-24 03:24 pm

Just for the @&*#! record...

I never thought I would have to post an explanation of why I don't swear, but in the last few months the issue has come up in a number of different contexts, and I've realized a lot of people either don't have a clue about what's going on in my head, or have jumped to the wrong conclusion about it.

Here, then, is the simple truth of the matter.

I was brought up by parents who didn't use even the mildest oaths, and who gently but firmly corrected me when I said things like "Gosh" and "Darn". "Holy [Insert Random, Inoffensive Noun Here]" was right out, since only God is holy. Even "Rats" was deemed suspect, since it was obviously a substitute for some kind of stronger language. And the TV went off immediately if anyone used the Lord's name in vain.

This might sound like my childhood was horribly repressive, but I love and respect my parents, and have always had a great relationship with them. Swearing was one of very few areas where they really took an unyielding stand, and since I never heard a single oath or crudity come out of their mouths under any circumstances (and that's pretty impressive seeing my Dad served in the British Navy during WWII), I think I would have absorbed the idea that swearing was inappropriate even if they'd never directly said as much.

The upshot of all this is that even now that I am an adult and no longer answerable to my parents, I simply don't have a lot of rude words in my vocabulary, and no particular impulse or temptation to start saying them. Instead, I use a limited, idiosyncratic, and for the most part decidedly G-rated range of exclamations. The Internet has given me access to handy acronyms like "OMG" and "WTF?" but I feel kind of guilty using even those, since I know what they "really" stand for. Even my fiction writing is occasionally hampered by the realization that Character X would swear under normal conditions but most of the time I can't bring myself to let them do it, so I have to find a creative alternative like "He spat out a fierce oath." I even feel uncomfortable quoting material that contains swear words, since it's too much like the swear word is now coming from me instead of the original speaker or writer.

However, I don't think of myself as specially virtuous for not swearing: it's just not me. Other people swearing in print or speech doesn't bother me for the most part, unless it's extremely gross or profane. I can even find swearing funny when it's done creatively, as in humorous writing. After all, sometimes there just isn't another word that's emphatic enough.

The only kinds of swearing that really upset me are racial slurs, crude sexual epithets, and (especially) blasphemy. Although I think I would have to say something if someone was using offensive racist or sexually degrading language in conversation with me, I really haven't had that happen very often, so it hasn't been an issue. But blasphemy, I hear all the time. And while I'm aware that most people don't mean anything hurtful by it, and aren't even thinking about what they're saying, I don't think I'm overreacting to find it offensive.

Mind you, 99.9% of the time I don't say anything when somebody blasphemes the name of God or of Christ, either because the person speaking doesn't know I'm a Christian, or because they weren't speaking directly to me, or because it was said when others were present and I feel the subject would be best addressed with the speaker in private. But for the record, if you're talking to me or know that I'm there and you're tempted to use blasphemous language, I'd really prefer you didn't, thanks.

Of course, this is just in case you actually give a crap care what I think. If you don't, then... as you were.

[identity profile] kagiri.livejournal.com 2006-01-25 03:46 am (UTC)(link)
My parents haven't been quite as strict on this issue as they were when I was younger, but I too remember the days when "gosh" and "darn" weren't acceptable. I've gone through "swearing phases", but those are ancient history, and swearing in general bothers me (especially when it's coming from my Christian friends).

It's nice to know that there are a few people out there who have been raised with the same principles I was.

(Anonymous) 2006-01-25 04:28 am (UTC)(link)
*giggle* Reminds me of some of my favourite swear-avoidance phrases, such as exclaiming, "Well, FISHSTICKS!" in moments of frustration. "Chitlins" is also comforting in such circumstances. And when someone does something crazy, calling them "you utter basket!" can be extremely satisfying. 8-)

Alternatives: M*A*S*H*--style exclamations, such as "Cheese and crackers!" or "What in the name of Marco blessed Polo is going on in here?"

Mary Anne

[identity profile] ravensnape.livejournal.com 2006-01-25 04:38 am (UTC)(link)
The sad fact is that I was never a habitual swearer until I started working in the public school systems. As a private school brat, I'd never have dreamed of swearing in front of a teacher. I was in for quite a shock the first few weeks of my teaching, as were the students. My first two rules were: 1-take your hats off in my class and 2-stop with the bad language. I could control my classroom, but the language continued in the halls, the parking lot, the sports events. As one person against a student body of over eight hundred, I gave up. I still make them take off their hats, but I find myself using language now that I never even knew what it meant while I was in high school.

I should change that, shouldn't I? The language that is, not the not knowing what it means...:D

[identity profile] risti.livejournal.com 2006-01-25 04:53 am (UTC)(link)
Word. I may link to this post as an explanation of my own habits, because they are so similiar, right down to the feeling guilty about characters swearing.

On the blasphemy thought... does it bug you as much as it bugs me that a PG-13 or even G rated movie can have a character saying "Oh My God" or just "God" every other word, and this doesn't even get a mention in the rating?
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[personal profile] innerslytherin 2006-01-25 05:16 am (UTC)(link)
Oddly, I was just thinking about this earlier this morning, though not at all in relation to you. I do swear, and a lot, but I also get upset by blasphemy. Honestly I can overlook when people use the word "God" because that can be a generic term as well as a specific one. It's when "Jesus" or "Christ" is used that I really feel hurt. Just hurt, if the person isn't aware I'm a Christian. Hurt and angry if the person is being deliberately offensive.

I respect that you don't swear, and I do try not to swear when people might find it offensive, but obviously I'm fond of using it in my writing.

(Anonymous) 2006-01-25 06:42 am (UTC)(link)
When I grew up, GD it or JC! were hit-your-thumb-with-a-hammer type exclamations. Not to be used in casual conversation, but acceptable under provocation.
Oddly, I try not to use them (& more extreme forms now), not because I'm religious--I'm not, I'm an atheist and it just seems silly to swear by a Deity I don't believe in.
I've recently picked up,"For all love!" from Patrick O"Brian's novels & find it useful if said forcefully enough. (Besides, it makes me think of Stephen Maturin, which makes me smile.)
"Will you two stop fighting and go outside, for all love!"
My kids have picked up 'smeggin' from Red Dwarf, & Kid#1 uses some of the oddest phrases from Jeeves & Wooster. Calls Kid#2 a blithering twit and a blister. He's not your everyday 14yr old.

Naomi

(Anonymous) 2006-01-25 06:47 am (UTC)(link)
Oh! I forgot to say, my very dear ex-FIL used to say...
JINGO NEDDIES!
I very nearly died the first time I heard it.
Naomi
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[personal profile] owl 2006-01-25 09:47 am (UTC)(link)
Ooh. I was at state school, and we'd never swear in the classroom. That was asking for trouble.
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[personal profile] owl 2006-01-25 09:53 am (UTC)(link)
The only things I say are 'bloody' and the ever-useful Irish 'fek'. I have done a few ZMGBBQ11!'s online, but I'd never take God's name in vain. That offends me more than the bodily words, although the film ratings people never seem to think so. Grrr. Oh, yes, and I use 'grrr' as a swear, too!

[identity profile] camillofan.livejournal.com 2006-01-25 12:01 pm (UTC)(link)
"Idiot" comes up quite frequently in Disney films! Despite not being especially naive about the Mouse Corp., I'm vauguely surprised at that.

[identity profile] rj-anderson.livejournal.com 2006-01-25 02:33 pm (UTC)(link)
*giggles over your icon*

[identity profile] rj-anderson.livejournal.com 2006-01-25 02:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Yup. But it's always been that way, it seems...

[identity profile] rj-anderson.livejournal.com 2006-01-25 02:36 pm (UTC)(link)
while I find people using "God!" as an exclamation of annoyance to be blasphemous, I find it very hard to condemn people saying that in a moment of distress/shock, whether they're believers or not...because it sounds like an involuntary prayer.

I agree. I was referring to casual usage. In moments of extreme distress, it's much harder to distinguish these things.

[identity profile] rj-anderson.livejournal.com 2006-01-25 02:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you!

[identity profile] tenebraeli.livejournal.com 2006-01-25 08:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Just wanted to say that this is fascinating, and makes perfect sense to me. I was sort of similarly raised, except the no swearing rule only applied to us kids. Mom, although a devout Catholic, could and did swear like a sailor sometimes. I won't tell you what her favorite is, because it is quite blasphemous, although inventive. Yet, when I said the f-word to my brother when I was ten, I got my mouth washed out with Ivory soap. Bleagh.

As I grew up, and associated with all sorts of people, I picked up all sorts of bad swearing habits, which I'm not proud of, and especially try to control in those moments of hitting-ones-thumb-with-a-hammer. One thing mom did impress upon us, and she followed it as well, was to *never under any circumstances* use racial/religious/sexual epithets. To the point that when my husband does say those words, I almost get sick to my stomach.

Since I've worked in restaurants and stores for so long, dealing with the public, I've developed an off-switch for my tongue. Whenever I'm out in public, the worst I'll say is bugger or bloody (mainly because they are 'almost' meaningless here in America), or blast etc.

I do swear in my LJ posts sometimes, mainly because I write much the same way as I would talk to my friends, no holds barred. I think I put most of that under a lj-cut, but I will try harder to do that in the future.

[identity profile] carbonelle.livejournal.com 2006-01-27 02:23 am (UTC)(link)
I love the rhthym of swearing (Holy HAN-ah INNA hand-BASKET) and the quirkily and mildly obscure even more; so for long years, I got by with that "EM-bleer FRITHING (insert object of derision)" and "FRITH inna HAND-basket."

After all, I'm not terribly likely to have qualms about blaspheming the (nonexistant) gods of my dinner-choices, now am I.

Then I married a computer programmer, and it's been one long struggle against tide of profanity.

***sighs***

Stevedores and sailors aren't even in it.

[identity profile] rj-anderson.livejournal.com 2006-01-27 02:25 am (UTC)(link)
Frith and Inle! is a perfectly smashing oath, I've always thought. And one of these days I'm sure I'm going to snap and tell somebody to silflay hraka.

[identity profile] cerberusia.livejournal.com 2006-01-28 12:18 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't understand that at all; 'God' isn't a swearword, it's the name of a fictious character, or a term for an otherworld, fictious being. It's like saying 'Oh, Aragorn!', or something of that nature. How could it be classed as being a swearword? And why would it get a mention in the rating? If all fictional names/terms had to be put in the ratings, it'd be up to X-tated in no time!

Your confusedly,

Cerberusa

[identity profile] risti.livejournal.com 2006-01-29 01:22 am (UTC)(link)
"Swearing" is actually defined as taking the Lord's name in vain (all those other fun words fall under the heading of "cussing"). It's actually one of the 10 Commandments that "You won't take my Name in vain". "Oh My God", "Jesus" and "God" as exclamation do just that.

You may see this as just the name of a fictional character, but personally, according to my beliefs, this actually bugs me more than seeing someone cuss left right and centre.

(Anonymous) 2006-01-29 09:56 am (UTC)(link)
I'm sure it would be 'cursing' rather than 'cussing', but that's just me being pedantic...Ah, so it's a Christian thing? No wonder I don't understand it.

I think I vaguely remember being told something about it being one of the Ten Commandments from an RS lesson...I'm afraid I don't know much about Christianity, (I was raised as an Atheist, and am now somewhere between Paganism and Satanism), so you've just helped.

Thank you!

[identity profile] kateorman.livejournal.com 2006-02-11 04:51 am (UTC)(link)
*blush* Rebecca, you're a lady. Compared to whom, I fear I am a marine.

[identity profile] kateorman.livejournal.com 2006-02-11 04:54 am (UTC)(link)
I swore in rabbit for years. But yes, embleer hraka hardly cuts it when it comes to the perversity of computers.

(Say, is your name derived from The Kingdom of Carbonel?)

[identity profile] carbonelle.livejournal.com 2006-02-11 06:28 am (UTC)(link)
Why yes, it is: [livejournal.com profile] carbonel was already taken. Grr! Lovely books, aren't they?

[identity profile] kateorman.livejournal.com 2006-02-11 07:37 am (UTC)(link)
I've only read the one - didn't realise there was a series! I've never forgotten the business with mixing the red and green liquids from the pharmacy display.

jingo neddies

(Anonymous) 2007-08-25 01:25 pm (UTC)(link)
MY family has used the term jingo neddies for generatons. I never knew what it meant or where it came from.As our family originated in Ireland I assumed it came from Ireland or England. Do you know any more about this phrase ? Will you share ? Rosemary at kincomac@comcast.net

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