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rj_anderson) wrote2005-07-16 01:09 pm
rj_anderson) wrote2005-07-16 01:09 pm
Lots of random HBP thoughts
First and foremost, for the record -- I've said this in a couple of people's comments now, but I want to put it down here for posterity:
The third horcrux does not need to be found as Harry believes, for it has already been destroyed. Dumbledore drank it, knowing that he would then become the horcrux and that Snape would have to kill him. This is why D. pleads with Snape at the end, when he knows (as he always knew) that Draco is not going to follow through on his assigned task. And it's also the reason Snape and Dumbledore quarrelled halfway through the book -- Snape didn't want to do it, and Dumbledore said too bad, you agreed to this a long time ago, there's no other way, so just do it. (Of course, having taken the Unbreakable Vow to carry out the task Draco could not, Snape would already have known that he couldn't back out. But I love him for being irrational enough to argue about it anyway.) I'm sure Dumbledore had known about that particular horcrux for years -- he just had to find the right time, or rather wait for Harry to grow up enough for it to be the right time, to go and destroy it. And all along, he's been keeping Snape in reserve for that eventuality (which is very likely the real reason he couldn't let him take the DADA position until the time was ripe -- because he knew that if he did, Snape would be gone from Hogwarts by the end of the year, thanks to Voldemort's curse on the job).
So it is not, as some people have feared, a case where Snape will have to do something massively heroic in Book Seven to redeem himself from the terrible crime of murdering Dumbledore and all the other evil things he has done as a false double agent. Because he never was a false double agent, and he did only what Dumbledore asked him to do. (The murder of Emmeline Vance is more problematic, but it is possible that Snape was merely claiming responsibility for the deed after the fact to convince Bellatrix, and that the information he gave to Voldemort did not in truth directly bring about Vance's death. Or it's possible that the information he gave did lead to Vance's death, but inadvertently.)
Okay, on to some other rambling thoughts -- some speculative, some just commentary:
After reading the "Spinner's End" chapter, I am now deeply and seriously worried that Draco is actually Snape's son rather than Lucius's. If so, I'll bet that Dumbledore has known this all along -- it may well tie into the secret reason he trusts Snape. But knowing JKR, it's just as likely that Snape's affection for Narcissa and Draco is more of a godfatherly sort, like Sirius's relationship to Harry. I think I'd prefer that, personally, but time will tell.
Right from the beginning I totally called Fleur turning out to be worthy of Bill's affections and the Weasley women being mistaken about her. They were just too OMG SO MEEN to her for it to be justified.
I am so amused that all my ships, including ones I only vaguely cared about, have sailed gaily into port. H/G, R/H, Remus/Tonks, Bill/Fleur, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!! Oh, and Filch/Pince is a most amusing idea.
I'll add more comments as I think of them.
The third horcrux does not need to be found as Harry believes, for it has already been destroyed. Dumbledore drank it, knowing that he would then become the horcrux and that Snape would have to kill him. This is why D. pleads with Snape at the end, when he knows (as he always knew) that Draco is not going to follow through on his assigned task. And it's also the reason Snape and Dumbledore quarrelled halfway through the book -- Snape didn't want to do it, and Dumbledore said too bad, you agreed to this a long time ago, there's no other way, so just do it. (Of course, having taken the Unbreakable Vow to carry out the task Draco could not, Snape would already have known that he couldn't back out. But I love him for being irrational enough to argue about it anyway.) I'm sure Dumbledore had known about that particular horcrux for years -- he just had to find the right time, or rather wait for Harry to grow up enough for it to be the right time, to go and destroy it. And all along, he's been keeping Snape in reserve for that eventuality (which is very likely the real reason he couldn't let him take the DADA position until the time was ripe -- because he knew that if he did, Snape would be gone from Hogwarts by the end of the year, thanks to Voldemort's curse on the job).
So it is not, as some people have feared, a case where Snape will have to do something massively heroic in Book Seven to redeem himself from the terrible crime of murdering Dumbledore and all the other evil things he has done as a false double agent. Because he never was a false double agent, and he did only what Dumbledore asked him to do. (The murder of Emmeline Vance is more problematic, but it is possible that Snape was merely claiming responsibility for the deed after the fact to convince Bellatrix, and that the information he gave to Voldemort did not in truth directly bring about Vance's death. Or it's possible that the information he gave did lead to Vance's death, but inadvertently.)
Okay, on to some other rambling thoughts -- some speculative, some just commentary:
I'll add more comments as I think of them.
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The one problem I have with it, however, is how much disregard for Snape's life is inherent in the Order's lack of knowledge. Now they all think he is the enemy. Not a one of them knows or would believe that he is still on the side of Light. And maybe Snape doesn't care that they do. I could conceivably believe that he sees no way out of the war for himself accept for death and so that is partly why he agrees to Dumbledore's order.
However, I cannot see Dumbledore having the sort of same disregard for Snape's life. Was the information really so personal and sensitive that he could not at least share this with one other person in the Order? Especially if he knew he was going to be killed by Snape. I don't believe that there is anyone now in the Order who would stand up for Snape, and it makes me very worried because I believe it could easily spell his doom in the form of death from one side or the other.
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And if Snape's reason is what I think it is, then I think she'll trust him, too.
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What do you think that reason is?
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^_^
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Love is a Many Splendored Thing... (http://www.livejournal.com/users/jeanstarwind/17971.html)
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When I was reading your post, I was smiling the entire time--It really just drilled it into me so hard how right this theory is. I don't see how it couldn't be right.
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hmmm....
No wait!! Fawkes has a delayed message!!
Re: hmmm....
The Portrait and penseive we thought of...but Fawkes is a very interesting idea. I wonder if he would come back?
Re: hmmm....
Peter Humphreys for BBC Newsround. - Who did Fawkes previously belong to and will he play a vital role in the next book?
JK Rowling: I am not going to answer about the role in the next books, which probably gives you a big clue, and he has never been owned by anyone but Dumbledore. You will notice that when Harry goes back in the Pensieve in this book, Fawkes is never there, and no, I am sorry, not in this book, I take that back. When Harry has previously seen the study with a different headmaster he saw it with Dippet and Fawkes was not there then. Fawkes is Dumbledore's possession, not a Hogwarts possession.